English transcriptions
YANG 6
8 | Yang: | this is natural. |
9 | Andrea: | this is NATURAL. |
10 | this is actually tradiTIONAL. |
YANG 32
49 | Yang: | you will so so you will perhaps say, I am very c conservat((HI))ive |
50 | /((HI))and/ | |
51 | Doris: | /I/ will say a MAN / and you see it from / |
52 | Yang: | /this is your opinion/ |
53 | Doris: | your MALE PERSPECTIVE. |
YANG 31
6 | Yang: | yes like this. when when this problem is solved, then of course (0.3) |
7 | it is easier to DIScuss (0.3) [the other problem] | |
8 | Doris: | [no. no. eh no. wait a minute] |
9 | Yang: | eh to UNDERSTAND. to UNDERSTAND. |
10 | Doris: | no. WAIT A MINUTE. eh:m eh eh for ME it's no problem, |
11 | for me it's CLEAR | |
12 | Yang: | yes. |
13 | Doris: | ehm WOMEN AND MEN ARE NATURALLY EQUAL. |
14 | this is not a PROBLEM = | |
15 | Yang: | =yes |
16 | Tan: | hihihi |
17 | Doris: | however, if YOU say, eh::: they are NOT equal, NATURALLY UNEQUAL, |
18 | then it is YOUR problem, but eh you understand, | |
19 | this is nothing you can discuss. |
YANG 5ff.
58 | Tan: | then (0.2) it also should'= |
59 | Doris: | = (......./...............)/ |
60 | Tan: | /yes be done/ by one of them. YES' |
61 | either by the HUSBAND OR the WIFE | |
62 | Andrea: | yes. and when the HUSBAND doesn't feel like doing it. |
63 | and the WIFE doesn't feel doing it | |
64 | then the wife has to do it. |
YANG 28
92 | Tan: | / yeah how / how can. - eh |
93 | his girlfriend can even earn MORE money | |
94 | than /HE/ | |
95 | Yang: | /yes/ twice/ as much as I. |
96 | Andrea: | /(yes: ........)/ |
97 | Andrea: | mhm. |
98 | Tan: | hihihihhhhhhhhhhh |
99 | Andrea: | and when you have children one day, |
1 | then it will be your girlfriend who INSPITE OF THIS will have to stay | |
2 | at home. probably. | |
3 | (0.3) | |
4 | Andrea: | / normally / |
5 | Doris: | /or work/ TWICE AS MUCH |
YANG 29
22 | Yang: | I must yes. ehm' yes SAY like this. |
23 | hihi I also find it NICE | |
24 | ehm' COMFORTABLE yes. (-) eh I think so. | |
25 | when' when I lateron come home from work yes | |
26 | well=I=hihihi=mean=when later=in=the=future=yes | |
27 | and then my' my hihi wife hihi is already at HOME | |
28 | and has prepared dinner yes. | |
29 | Doris: | and then it is REA:LLY COZY. |
30 | and YOU SIT in your chair, | |
31 | and SHE SLAVES AWAY for you. (-) | |
32 | well I do believe [that] | |
33 | Andrea: | [hihihihi] |
34 | Doris: | all MEN think this is [just GREAT] |
35 | Andrea: | [of course.] |
YANG 19
1 | Yang: | eh:m'::: I I I, I must must must say, |
2 | well in Germany the women's problem is' | |
3 | eh' (-) well is eh is BIGGER than in China. |
YANG 24 a
67 | Doris: | well /I/ don't quite UNDERSTAND |
68 | Tan: | /hm/ |
69 | Doris: | WHY you say that eh in in China there are'nt any women's problems |
70 | the problem actually is the same it's just that | |
71 | - eh:m' that it is HUSHED up much more. | |
72 | Yang: | * not as bad as here* |
73 | Doris: | YES BECAUSE WOMEN ARE MORE CONSCIOUS HERE |
YANG 24 b
7 | Tan: | and what is not good? |
8 | Andrea: | well I think, for example |
9 | he says there is no women's problem. | |
10 | I say, there ARE problems. | |
11 | but the women (-) don't do anything about it. | |
12 | or:' (-) or they don't think /about them/ | |
13 | Doris: | /it is not/ made a public issue= |
14 | Andrea: | = ja. or don't talk about them |
YANG 30
45 | Yang: | I I agree with your opinion. (-) that women REALLY we::ll we:ll |
46 | after they graduate from university or (-)we:ll ehm: | |
47 | as a' adults they have less chances | |
48 | or less opportunities' than men | |
49 | Doris: | mhm |
50 | Yang: | and also the future (0.3) is not as marvellous as the men's. |
51 | Doris: | why do YOU say , (-) that that you think eh women have ENOUGH rights. |
52 | it' s enough. why DO [YOU SAY THIS?] | |
53 | Yang: | [(...............)hihi] |
YANG 15
79 | Yang: | this is from the traditional? or political? |
80 | (-) or' the (only) eh the (-) by nature | |
81 | [(...)] I mean natural' | |
82 | Doris: | [well] do you believe there is a NATURAL LIMITATION? |
83 | (0.7) | |
84 | Yang: | I belie:ve (-) NOT, but I ((hi)) I must say, there is. (1.0) a bit. |
85 | Doris: | what do you mean by this? |
YANG 17 ff.
86 | Doris: | this is not a natural difference in my [eyes] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
87 | Yang: | [mhm yes.] mhm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
88 | Doris: | where do YOU see NATURAL differences? (-) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
89 | because you mentioned something about natural differ[ences] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
90 | Yang: | [per]haps | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
91 | I have these eh: (1.0) eh it's difficult to say
........ | 8 | Doris: |
[you] are now talking about purely physical? | 9 | Yang: |
not physical eh now well | 10 | Doris: |
concerning physical strength? *or what do you mean?* | 11 | Yang: |
(not clear) for example the police | 12 | Doris: |
POLICE? | 13 | Yang: |
CRIMINAL investigators. this is not physical. | 14 | Doris: |
no. this is NOT physical. but it does have to do' with | 15 |
| the status of women in the society. | 16 |
| MEN can represented as authoritative figures in the society | 17 |
| who have MORE to say than WOMEN. | 18 | Yang: |
yes. | 19 | Doris: |
and wh' THEN it becomes of course problematic | 20 |
| when there is such an UNequal concept of society , | 21 |
| then then it becomes difficult to suddenly place WOMEN in the same position | 22 |
| as men (most of the time) but if men and women | 23 |
| had the same roles | 24 | Yang: |
yes. | 25 | Doris: |
so that eh' when a woman says something, it is treated just | 26 |
| AS (-) AUTHORITATIVE as when a man would say it | 27 | Yang: |
yes. | 28 | Doris: |
then it wouldn't be a problem. | 29 |
| this is a SOCIAL difference then | 30 |
| and not a (-) NATURAL. | 31 | Yang: |
yes'hh((hi))'hh | 32 | Doris: |
yes. I do think so. so. this is no difference then. | 33 |
| what what might be true is | 34 |
| [or what]/ | 35 | Yang: |
[and and also] I also think the | 36 |
| WAY OF THINKING of women and of men | 37 | Doris: |
try it eh what kind of difference | 38 |
| is [this?] | 39 | Yang: |
[way] of thinking. | 40 | Doris: |
what kind of difference do you mean? (0.6) | 41 | Doris: |
how women think, [how men (...) think]? | 42 | Yang: |
[(..........................)] | 43 | Tan: |
[ I believe that ] already (-) also (-) eh: | 44 |
| because of the tra(-)dition because of THE tradition or=something=like=that | 45 | Doris: |
well [I] | 46 | Yang: |
[per]haps because of [the tradion] | 47 | Andrea: |
[well] women cannot | 48 | Andrea: |
well women are not stup)der than men. | 49 | Yang: |
no.( - )[this is right] | 50 | Doris: |
[or think differently] | 51 | Andrea: |
you mean they are more em[OTIONAL or what] | 52 | Yang: |
[I believe eh ] | 53 | Yang: |
sometimes in certain areas they are better than men. | 54 |
| and the MEN work better in certain areas | 55 |
| than [wo]men | 56 | Andrea: |
[mhm] | 57 | Doris: |
but this is also something that is | 58 |
| VERY STRONGLY determined by tradition | 59 |
| suppose women have ALWAYS worked in one area | 60 |
| then they DEVELOP their abilities in this area. | 61 |
| when I as a WOMAN have always worked in a typical MALE profession | 62 |
| then I develop the abilities, | 63 |
| which belong to this MALE PROFESSION= | 64 | Yang: |
= and I I must say, for MEN there is no limit | 65 |
| for the, for the work. for the jobs. for women there is a limit. | 66 | Doris: |
what sort of limit? | 67 | Yang: |
for example (0.3) physical | |
YANG 30
45 | Yang: | I I agree with your opinion. (-) that women |
46 | REALLY we::ll we:ll | |
47 | after they graduate from university or (-)we:ll ehm: | |
48 | as a' adults they have less chances | |
49 | or less opportunities' than men | |
49 | Doris: | mhm |
50 | Yang: | and also the future (0.3) is not as marvellous as the men's. |
51 | Doris: | why do YOU say , (-) that that you think eh women have ENOUGH rights. |
52 | it' s enough. why DO [YOU SAY THIS?] | |
53 | Yang: | [(...............)hihi] |
YANG 33
4 | Yang: | they also have thought very little about this ++reflected on this++ THEREFORE |
5 | is it a little bit more (quiet) in China | |
6 | concerning this problem. concerning the women's problem. | |
7 | this might be. (0.2) we eh the' my /second/ | |
8 | Andrea: | /mhm/ |
9 | Yang: | second second opinion. that is there is still a lot |
10 | a very lot to do for us. to improve very much from /now/ | |
11 | Andrea: | /mhm/ |
12 | (0.5) | |
13 | Doris: | mhm. well I think it is probleMATIC ehm: I |
14 | eh: because I eh it is' well' you might think | |
15 | emancipation means (-) women and men become similar | |
16 | and that women and men SHOULD BE the same | |
17 | however THIS is not ema.cipation (-) | |
18 | for me. emancipation means |
YANG 19
91 | Andrea: | or they have to hh' (-) eh ++ I saw it in Tibet ++, |
92 | they have to cast stones, | |
93 | bricks or'(-) EXACTLY the same | |
94 | work as the men did. | |
95 | (0.3) | |
96 | when you NEED their work force, | |
97 | then you say that women can do the SAME job. | |
98 | (-) and when you don't WANT | |
99 | /them/ then you say that they lack | |
1 | Tan: | /mhm/ |
2 | Andrea: | physical ENERGY. it' (-) eh you can look at other |
3 | /countries/ | |
4 | Tan: | /HAVE/ YOU BEEN TO TIBET? |
5 | Andrea: | yes. |
6 | (0.2) | |
7 | and to China. | |
8 | Tan: | eh hi/hi/ |
9 | Yang: | /ah yeah/ (-) what's your name? |
10 | Andrea: | Andrea. |
11 | Yang: | Andrea. ah. |
12 | (0.2) | |
13 | Andrea: | mhm.I SAW IT it always depends, |
14 | when (0.2) when in a' country eh a lot of hard work needs to be done | |
15 | due to the climate or so, then all people together | |
16 | have to do ALL sort of work. |
YANG 30-32
1 | Yang: | FIRST OF ALL we must discuss THIS problem= |
2 | Doris: | = well I would say, there is a natur[al equal]ity |
3 | Yang: | [and this problem] |
4 | Yang: | eh. natural equality. |
5 | Doris: | EQUALITY. |
6 | Yang: | yes like this. when when this problem is solved, then of course (0.3) |
7 | it is easier to DIScuss (0.3) [the other problem] | |
8 | Doris: | [no. no. eh no. stop for a moment] |
9 | Yang: | eh to UNDERSTAND. to UNDERSTAND. |
10 | Doris: | no. WAIT A MOMENT. eh:m eh eh for ME it's no problem, |
11 | for me it's CLEAR | |
12 | Yang: | yes. |
13 | Doris: | ehm WOMEN AND MEN ARE NATURALLY EQUAL. |
14 | this is not a PROBLEM = | |
15 | Yang: | =yes |
16 | Tan: | hihihi |
17 | Doris: | however, if YOU say, eh::: they are NOT equal, NATURALLY UNEQUAL, |
18 | then it is YOUR problem, but eh you understand, | |
19 | this is nothing you can discuss. | |
20 | MEN CLAIM /h' th[ey are] un' just a MOMENT, men claim | |
21 | Yang: | [(i:s)] |
22 | Doris: | they are DIFFerent that the na' that women b' by natural' |
23 | eh b' by nature canNOT do certain things or can do other things BETTER, | |
24 | and this how they ACCOUNT for the fact, that they cut back on w' women's | |
25 | rights eh their (-) in certain areas | |
26 | (1.0) | |
27 | Yang: | well:: I: I: I believe, I have (-) THIS opinion |
28 | (-) and eh eh I believe ALSO the other people ALSO | |
29 | perhaps have this opinion | |
30 | Doris: | which opinion? that human beings, |
31 | that women and men are /diff/erent | |
32 | Yang: | /I belie'/ |
33 | Doris: | by nature? |
34 | Yang: | of course there are of course differen- differences. |
35 | (-) there are for example in sports (-) | |
36 | the the the eh the the women' s (-) records world records | |
37 | and the the men's records are different | |
38 | /this is (............concerning the body concerning the body....) | |
39 | Doris: | /THERE ARE (-) I mean a female body and |
40 | a male body are normally different | |
41 | Yang: | I THINK we all know, that the the the differences between |
42 | well the MALE body and eh' the womanly female body. | |
43 | we all know this. (-) | |
44 | I believe perhaps there are still OTHER differences | |
45 | Andrea:intellectual? /that they/ | |
46 | Yang:/intellectual./ or something like that | |
47 | Andrea: | but (-) /(I mean)/ |
48 | Yang: | /and/ eh eh n (I want) perhaps hihi |
49 | you will so so you might perhaps say that I am very c- conservat((HI))ive | |
50 | /((HI))and/ | |
51 | Doris: | /I / will say you are a MAN /and have / |
52 | Yang: | /that is your opinion/ |
53 | Doris: | a MALE PERSPECTIVE. |
54 | Yang: | yes. |
55 | Doris: | *that's what I am saying* |
56 | Yang: | hihihihihi |
57 | (-) | |
58 | Yang: | and (-) eh' (-) I mean also the:: for example eh the the female IN THE WORLD |
59 | we say (-) eh the WOMAN is halfs HALF SKY eh HALF THE SKY. | |
60 | the MEN HALF THE SKY. | |
61 | (-) this eh this is an image | |
62 | the this world is cordinated. has has to be cordinated, | |
63 | then we can have a GOOD life also good also he::: good future. | |
64 | Doris: | mhm |
65 | Yang: | this is also I believe this is reason also from NATURALLY. |
66 | this is from NATURALLY a principle | |
67 | Doris: | mhm |
68 | Yang: | therefore I must say if men and women are TOTALLY alike. (0.3) |
69 | this is (0.5) unthink[able.] | |
70 | Andrea: | [no but] |